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- THE ALIENS ARE HERE
-
- What follows is a transcript of a 45 minute lecture that I attended on
- 11-17-89 at the "Whole Life Expo." in Los Angeles, California. Speaking
- was Mr. Milton William Cooper who I first became acquainted with through
- a text file I downloaded from a local computer BBS. The file dealt with
- the subject of UFO's and our government's concealment of the truth about
- them in such a way that it made a lasting impression on me, which is why
- I attended his lecture; to learn more. Please forgive my probable
- misspelling of some of the proper names in the transcript which follows
- and allow that I have taken it as best I could, word-for-word, from a
- less than acceptable micro-cassette recording.
-
- If you are as moved by what you are about to read as I was in hearing
- it first hand, I ask that you please spread it as far and wide as
- possible. Upload it to every BBS in your reach and please, don't change
- anything. Also, please give considerable thought to Mr. Cooper's
- suggestions as to what we all can do to see that this information is
- confirmed by our government to make them stop what they are up to.
-
- Thank you, and now, Milton Cooper:
-
- "For those of you who don't know who I am, I was raised in a military
- family. My family, my ancestors, since they came to this country, have
- been government people. We have served in the military, we have been
- patriots, we have fought in all the wars, we care about this country and
- believe in the constitution of the United States. We know, as many
- people don't know, that the Constitution of the United States of America
- IS the United States of America! And that's why we've always been ready
- ...to do the things needed ...to preserve and protect it."
-
- "When I left home I went into the Air Force, the Strategic Air Command.
- As a child I'd heard stories from my father and pilots, other pilots, my
- father was a pilot, about Foo Fighters, UFO's, strange craft that were
- not made on this Earth. And as a kid, you hear that in passing, and it's
- neat, and you giggle about it, and you go out and play "Space Man", and
- you forget it."
-
- "When I was in the Air Force I met men who had participated in alien
- crashed-craft recoveries. Now this intrigued me, it interested me, but
- it was usually after quite a few bottles of beer that these stories
- would come out, and sometimes the next morning I couldn't remember what
- the heck the guy said."
-
- "When I left the Air Force I went into the Navy, and this is where
- everything began to happen for me. I had originally intended to just go
- from service to service and do something that very few people have ever
- done before. I was a very adventurous, very crazy ...young man, and I
- thought that that would be a pretty exciting life. I volunteered for
- submarines, and while on the submarine U.S.S. Tyroot, SS-416, on a
- transit between the Portland/Seattle area and Pearl Harbor, which was
- our home port; the Pearl Harbour sub base, as the port lookout I saw a
- craft, saucer-shaped, the size of a Midway class carrier, aircraft
- carrier, for those of you who don't know how big that is; it's huge,
- come up out of the water approximately 2 1/2 nautical miles off the port
- bow, which is about 45 degrees to the left of the pointy end of the
- submarine. It tumbled slowly on its own axis, and went up into the
- clouds. It appeared to be moving slowly to me at a distance of 2 1/2
- nautical miles, but in reality it was moving pretty fast because it came
- up out of the water, did a few tumbles and it was gone!"
-
- "I then reported it to the officer of the deck. I didn't tell him what
- it was that I saw because my Daddy didn't raise no fools and in case
- nobody else saw it I didn't want to be the only looney onboard the ship.
- So I asked the officer of the deck to help me cover that area, and he
- did, which is common for officers and lookouts to help each other while
- on bridge watch because they all hang together if something bad happens.
- After a few seconds of watching, the same craft, or another craft
- exactly like it, came down out of the clouds, tumbled again on its own
- axis, and went into the water. Ensign Ball, who was the officer of the
- deck, was literally shocked! What could I say? Seaman Dejeralimo, who
- was the starboard lookout, had also witnessed this, and ensign Ball
- called the captain to the bridge who was followed by the chief
- quartermaster who brought a 35MM camera, and we watched for between 7
- and 10 minutes the same craft, or different craft that looked exactly
- alike, enter and leave the water. It was an incredible show. I don't
- know if they knew we were there, or if they even cared, but the craft
- did not glow, they were metal, they were machines without a doubt, they
- were obviously intelligently guided, they were HUGE, and having been in
- the Air Force and the Navy and knowing what it takes, I knew without a
- doubt, and know it today, that that machine was not made on the face of
- this Earth. Because there's nothing that man can make, that can fly
- through the air at a speed like that, tumble on its own axis, and enter
- the water and effectively fly beneath the sea."
-
- "If you've ever been aboard an airplane and then gone aboard a
- submarine, I know there's probably some of you in this room who have
- visited a submarine at one time or another, you can readily see just
- without even any of the technicalities involved how difficult such a
- thing would be to do. Where would it be built, that size? It was
- absolutely incredible. It changed my life because then all the stories
- that I'd heard all my life I knew were true, and I began seeing the
- world in a different light."
-
- "It wasn't long after that I was trained by Naval security in
- intelligence. I was sent to Viet Nam. I was assigned as a patrol boat
- captain, first in DaNang harbor, given a crew, given a multi-million
- dollar patrol boat. My job was to gather intelligence from the people
- who lived around the harbor and the fishermen who transited the harbor,
- and maintain the safety and security of the harbor and the shipping.
- After about 5 months I was sent up North to the DMZ, to a place called
- Qua Vieaf [sp], on the Tacan [sp] river. Our base camp was at the river
- mouth. We were only 3 miles South of the North Vietnamese border and our
- job was to patrol the Tacan river from the river mouth to Dang Ha [sp],
- and then up the Quang Tree [sp] cutoff to Quang Tree city, again to get
- to know the people on the bank, gather intelligence, and to patrol every
- night and maintain the safety and security of the river and the river
- traffic."
-
- "It was while there that I discovered that there was a tremendous
- amount of UFO and alien activity in Viet Nam. It was always reported in
- official messages as 'enemy helicopters.' Now any of you who know
- anything about the Viet Nam war know that the North Vietnamese did not
- have any helicopters, especially after our first couple of air raids
- into North Viet Nam. Even if they had they would not have been so
- foolish as to bring them over the DMZ because that would have insured
- their demise. Our troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy
- helicopters,' enemy troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy
- helicopters,' and occasionally people would disappear. And on one
- instance that I know for sure at least one entire village disappeared
- one night due to alien activity. The reason they used the term 'enemy
- helicopters' in messages and dispatches was that in Viet Nam you could
- be overrun at any time, no matter where you where. They did not bring
- crypto encoding equipment into Viet Nam, I'm talking about the
- machinery. What we did is we had crypto tables, and once we every 24
- hours those codes would be no good. So that's what we used. We also,
- because of the inability to use crypto transmitting equipment, had to
- devise code words such as 'enemy helicopters.'"
-
- "When I left Vietnam I was eventually attached to the headquarters
- staff of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet at
- Macalappa, [sp] Hawaii, which is a little hill overlooking Pearl Harbor,
- it's a beautiful white building up there, and I was specifically
- attached to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of
- the United States Pacific Fleet."
- "It was during this tour of duty that, in the course of my duties,
- documents were placed in my hands that were so unbelievable and so
- incredible that it took me quite a while to adjust to the fact that what
- I was seeing was real. Now for those of you who don't understand how I
- could come to see this information let me give you a little short course
- in security clearance and "the need to know" and how you get to see
- classified information if you're in the military or in the government,
- it doesn't matter which, the rules are the same."
-
- "Number one you need a security clearance, and you've got to have
- clearance at the level that the information you want to see is
- classified at. In this instance it was classified 'Top Secret, Magic,
- Restricted Information,' which I came to find out later is the highest
- security classification in the Nation. To get that type of clearance,
- all you have to have is a Federal Bureau of Investigation background
- check, which takes about six months and they send federal agents to your
- home, to your old schools, to all your teachers, to your friends, to
- everybody you put down on your security clearance forms, to all your old
- addresses, your neighbors, everybody that you've worked for, and it's
- embarrassing because they don't tell them what they're checking on. They
- just show them their identification and start asking questions and
- that's when you find out who's your friend and who's not, because a lot
- of people get scared and think, 'Bill just robbed a bank and I'm not
- talkin' to him
- anymore.'"
-
- "Now once you get that it's called a 'B.I.' and for those of you who
- have received a copy of my service record look on the first page, the
- DD-214 where it says 'Security Clearance,' you will see the term 'B.I.'
- That's a 'Bureau of Investigation' clearance. Now at that point, you
- have the clearance for everything including Top Secret and above. What
- determines what you get to see is your need to know, and the job that
- you have determines what your need to know is."
-
- "I was assigned to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander
- in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet, who had to know everything
- concerning his area of operations which was one-half of the Earth's
- surface; the Indian ocean, the Pacific ocean, and all the land masses in
- between. Believe it or not, if we go to war, if we ever go to war, it's
- the United States Navy that strikes the first blow and attempts to keep
- the enemy at bey while we can get ourselves together, at least
- historically. Nuclear weapons have kind of done away with that concept,
- but military commanders like to talk about it anyway."
-
- "Because of this, and you have no conception of the amount of material
- and information that an area commander has to know, it's unbelievable,
- and he has to keep track of this, he has to keep on top of it. He has to
- know what's happening, he has to make the right decisions. Because it's
- almost humanly impossible for anyone to do that, they have what's called
- a briefing team, and it's our job to make sure that he has the correct
- information, all the time, on a 24 hour basis. And every morning,
- between 8 and 9 AM, we would give a briefing which covered everything
- that happened in the previous 24 hours, and everything scheduled to
- happen in the next 24 hours, and all the pertinent intelligence reports
- that we had received since the last briefing that he needed to know and
- that his staff members needed to know. Occasionally we would get
- messages marked 'Top Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' and it
- would be coded in such a way that all you had were answers to questions
- which you didn't know what the questions were so you really didn't know
- what the message was all about." "But eventually I found myself in
- possession, holding two documents; one called 'Project Grudge,' another
- one called 'Operation Majority.' Project Grudge contained the history of
- alien involvement since around 1936, and it began talking about
- Germany's involvement with a crashed disk that they had recovered in
- 1936 and were attempting to duplicate the technology. They were not
- successful despite what all these Nazi hunters want to tell you. If they
- had been successful, we would not have won the war, because you cannot
- beat those weapons! You cannot outfly those craft, you can't even think
- about it with conventional aircraft. If Germany had been successful, we
- would now have a German flag up in front of this podium."
-
- "They did make some headway. When we went into Punta Mundy [sp] we
- captured documents, we got some scientists, we got some hardware. The
- Russians also got some documents, some scientists, and some hardware. It
- wasn't until 1947 that we were able to capture a craft, a whole craft,
- not all together but it was everything. And that occurred near the city
- of Roswell, New Mexico. There were dead aliens recovered from the craft.
- In Project Grudge I saw photographs of these dead aliens, of the craft,
- I saw photographs of live aliens, I saw photographs of autopsies,
- internal organs, I saw photographs of the alien designated 'E.B.'[or
- Ebe] which was held in captivity from 1949 until June the 2nd, 1952 when
- he died. I saw the history of what they had been able to at that time
- put together, from incidents in the 1800's which involved aliens and
- their craft."
-
- "I saw the names of projects. I saw a project that was to fly
- recovered alien craft that had been recovered intact and undamaged, and
- some of them were recovered intact and undamaged, and how that happened
- I have no idea. It was called 'Project Red-light,' and first was
- conducted from the Tonopah test range in the Nevada test sight and then
- was moved to a specially built area, ordered built by president
- Eisenhower, called 'Area-51,' code named 'Dreamland,' in the Groom [sp]
- dry lake area of the Nevada test sight, by secret executive order. It
- doesn't exist officially, if you ask anyone, or if you write letters to
- the government they will tell you it doesn't exist. However if you go
- out there at several places and see it, fly outside the boundaries and
- look down and see it, you know it's there, but according to the
- government it doesn't exist."
-
- "The project to fly, test fly these craft, was ongoing until sometime
- in 1962 when a craft blew up not far from the test sight, in the air,
- and the explosion was seen over a three state area. The pilots were
- killed, they had no idea what had happened or why the craft blew up, but
- they put Project Redlight on hold until a later date when the aliens
- supplied us with 3 craft and personnel to help us learn how to fly these
- craft. That project is ongoing and we now have not only alien craft that
- we are flying, we have craft we have built, using the captured
- technology, and some of the UFO's that people report seeing in the
- United States, and maybe even elsewhere, are flown by United States
- personnel."
-
- "That may come as a shock to you. We have technology way beyond the
- limits of what we have been told. A lot of our development
- technologically, since the end of World War II, has been due to the
- exchange of technology which occurs in the area called 'Area-51' on a
- regular basis ...ongoing."
-
- "When James Oberth, professor Oberth retired, many of you don't know
- who he is ...not too many space people in here. Professor Oberth was
- probably one of the greatest rocket scientists and space commentists
- that ever lived. When he retired, the government gave him a special
- award, there was a press conference, all kinds of ceremony, and when he
- got up to speak he said, 'Gentlemen,' and I quote professor Oberth, he
- said, 'Gentlemen, we cannot take credit for all the technological
- developments that we have had in the last decade. We have had help,' and
- that's where he stopped."
-
- "One of the reporters raised his hand and said, 'Professor Oberth,
- can you tell us what other country helped us?'"
-
- "He said, 'It was those little guys from out in space,' and then he
- got down and and would not comment any further. Now this occurred in
- 1959. I can go on and on but time doesn't allow it."
-
-
- "I will tell you ladies and gentlemen that there are all kinds of
- things going on all the time, we are making rapid progress in exposing
- this. Since I have begun talking, people have been coming out of the
- woodwork at a rapid rate, who know and have pieces of this puzzle, and
- are helping us to put it together, because I don't have all the answers.
- I saw an awful lot of material, I have remembered an awful lot of it, I
- have probably, in my remembering, made some mistakes, and I guarantee
- you they're minor ones, if I have."
-
- "We have just recently, for those of you who didn't believe that the
- Jason Society of the Jason Scholars, the secret group existed, we now
- have a letter from the Pentagon, with 51 names of the Jason Scholars, an
- admission from the Pentagon that they hold the highest security
- clearances in the nation, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold
- the protocol rank of Rear Admiral, and are treated as such on any
- military installation or in any government office. There are 6 Nobel
- Prize winners on that list, there are the elite of the elite of the
- scientific world, they are the only ones who really know the truth about
- the technology today and about the real science of physics, because the
- one that we're being taught all the time... If you send your kids to
- college to learn physics you're wasting your money because they're
- teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real.
- Gravity is not what we think it is. There IS a Unified Theory! We
- already know what it is, it's what makes these craft work. It's
- absolutely incredible what's going on."
-
- "How many of you keep up with Billy Goodman's show on KVEG out of Las
- Vegas? For those of you who don't, I would try tuning in on any night
- between 10:00 PM and 1:00 AM. It's 840 on your AM dial, and the subject
- every night are those subjects that no other media person in the United
- States will touch with a 10 foot pole, every single night except
- Saturday night. It's the only show that you can call in and talk to
- another caller, you've got 3 minutes to say whatever you want to say as
- long as you don't cuss or swear or slander anyone, and every night
- they're helping to expose this."
-
- "When John Lear and I first said what was going on out at Groom Lake
- everybody said, 'You're nuts, there's nothing going on out at Groom
- Lake!' The listeners of the Billy Goodman radio show put together an
- excursion and went up to Groom Lake and they all, ever since, every
- night, they go up there and watch them test fly the alien craft ...every
- night! The first night they had 100 people there. And 100 people saw 4
- alien craft fly, doing things that no airplane and no helicopter can do.
- Now they don't tell us anymore that there's nothing happening at Groom
- Lake. What they tell us now is there's no such thing as aliens, it's all
- government secret projects. That's okay because we'll prove that wrong
- too eventually, it just takes awhile. Because where we WERE ...it's not
- where we're AT, and I'm really happy about that."
-
- "Now, if you want to see what's happening right now, keep watching
- your movies, keep watching your television commercials, your alien
- programs on television, read Whitley Streeper's 'Majestic' which is a
- part of the contingency plan called 'Majestic' to test the reaction of
- the population to the presence of aliens on the Earth. And I have just
- finished my study of Whitley Streeper's book 'Majestic,' and I'm gonna
- tell you right now that most of the documents in there, that he says are
- fiction, are real documents that came right out of Project Grudge. It is
- part of the government's campaign to leak information out in ways that
- they can always deny that it's real. There's only one thing wrong with
- the information in that book, the stories of the characters in there I
- know nothing about. What I'm talking about are the supposed government
- documents that he has in that book. I'm telling you tonight they're
- real. Those are some of the same documents that I saw in Project Grudge
- back between 1970 & 1973, and where we have wondered before, now we know
- that Whitley Streeper IS working for the government. And we had a
- suspicion anyway because in the front of his book he states that he got
- information and was helped by the research team of Moore, Shanderey, and
- Friedman. William Moore has publicly admitted on July the 1st that he is
- an agent of the United States Government, and we know that the others
- are too."
-
- "This is gonna come out, and the reason they're doing it the way
- they're doing it is they know eventually you're gonna find out that it's
- all true and real. They're desensitizing you so that you're not shocked,
- so that there's no collapse of society as we know it, so that the
- religious structure doesn't fall to pieces, so that the stock market
- doesn't go crazy, because these were their original fears. Now, there's
- nothing we can do about the last one because it's already happened,
- there will be a segment of the population that worships the aliens, even
- though they're no different than us they're just from somewhere else,
- and they may look a little different. They are not gods. But there are
- already people worshiping the aliens and they predicted this would
- happen when they slapped the secret stamp all over all this stuff."
-
- "You know, there's really nothing wrong with what's been happening
- except for 3 things;" [Cooper forgot to mention the 3rd thing, or was
- sidetracked, or included it into the 2nd thing.]
-
- Number one, when they decided to keep it secret they needed to finance
- it, they couldn't tell the public so they couldn't tell Congress. They
- decided to finance it with the sale, importation and sale, of drugs. Now
- in the documents that I read, in Operation Majority, it specifically
- stated that when George Bush was the president and CEO of Sapata [sp]
- Oil, he, in conjunction with the CIA, organized the first large scale
- drug importation into this country from
- South and Central America by fishing
- boat, to the offshore oil platforms of Sapata Oil, and then from there
- into the beach, thus bypassing all Customs inspections and law
- enforcement inspections of any kind. They are still bringing in drugs,
- to a limited extent, in this manner. Another manner is by CIA contract
- aircraft which, one of their bases of landing is Homestead [sp] Air
- Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits from air controllers who have
- vectored the planes in, who have made sure that they're not interfered
- with in any way. We have affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air
- Force Base who say the planes have been met by Zeb Bush, who's George
- Bush's son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of
- Mexico, in the offshore oil business, that yes indeed, the drugs are
- coming in, at least some of them, from the offshore oil platforms."
- From the audience came a clear statement, "Just say no?" "Pardon?
- ...Right! Just Say No! Well that's what we're gonna do ladies and
- gentlemen with your help ...we are going to say NO, no more! And you
- gotta do it, you gotta act. You either gotta act, or watch your country
- go down the tubes."
-
- "Now, that's one of the things that's wrong. The next thing that's
- wrong is, to keep the secret, they killed a lot of people who tried to
- leak it out. And if I hadn't done it the way that I did it, you wouldn't
- be seeing me anywhere standing or walking on this Earth now. They killed
- president Kennedy and during the workshop, for those of you haven't seen
- the tape, I will show you, on the tape, who shot the president and why.
- Between '70 and '73, in Operation Majority it stated verbatim that
- President Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to cease the importation and sale of
- drugs to the American people, that he ordered them to implement a plan
- to reveal the presence of aliens to the American people within the
- following year. His assassination was ordered by the policy committee of
- the Vilderbergers. MJ-12 implemented the plan and carried it out in
- Dallas. It involved agents of the CIA, Division-5 of the FBI, the Secret
- Service, and the office of Naval Intelligence. President Kennedy was
- killed by the driver of his car, his name was William Greer, he used a
- recoilless, electrically operated, gas powered assassination pistol that
- was specially built by the CIA to assassinate people at close range. It
- fired an explosive pellet which injected a large amount of shellfish
- poison into the brain, and that is why, in the documents, it stated that
- President Kennedy's brain was removed. If you've studied the case, you
- will find that indeed his brain disappeared. The reason for that is so
- that they would not find the particles of the exploding pellet or the
- shellfish poison in his brain which would have proved conclusively that
- Lee Harvy Oswald was NOT the assassin. In fact, Lee Harvy Oswald never
- fired a shot, he was the patsy."
-
- Mr. Cooper paused briefly, and a lady in the audience asked the obvious
- question, "Why haven't YOU been assassinated?"
-
-
- "If they were to kill me right now, what would you think?" Cooper
- posed.
-
- "That it's the truth," several people chimed.
-
- "I've got 'em right where I want 'em. If they touch me, everyone who's
- ever heard me talk is gonna be absolutely enraged and is gonna know that
- everything I've said is true. As long as they don't touch me there's
- gonna be some of you who are always gonna be wondering. But eventually
- we're gonna bring enough proof out, and if you're here during the
- workshop you're gonna see an awful lot of it that's gonna prove to you
- that it's true. It's real. And it's happening!"
-
- "Okay, I've tried to cover a lot of stuff, just briefly, because
- there's no time in 45 minutes to get into anything very much."
-
- Mr. Cooper then announced the scheduled workshop session the following
- day in which tangible proofs could be seen but regrettably I was unable
- to attend. He then opened up the floor to questions and answers.
-
- A muffled question was barely heard coming from the front of the room
- which in essence asked, "What about all the people in the press and
- others who were in Dallas and who saw the assassination? Couldn't they
- tell where the shot came from, why didn't they come forward? There must
- have been plenty."
-
- "There was, we know that there was
- at least 18 who were all murdered within 2 years of the event. The
- odds of that happening are 1 in 300,000 trillion," Cooper replied.
-
- Again a muffled question, "Why did the DRIVER have to shoot Kennedy?"
-
- "Because the other fools missed! There were a total of 3 shots fired
- at President Kennedy, one hit him in the throat and didn't kill him and
- 2 of them hit John Connelly [sp]. The one that was fired from the grassy
- knoll hit the president in the throat. The other 2 shots came from
- directly behind the limousine, not the school book depository building,
- and hit Governor Connelly. Governor Connelly, in intelligence community
- circles, is known as a 'can do' man, because he took 2 hits and still
- kept his mouth shut."
- "How is it that the driver, sitting on the front, left-hand side of
- the car was able to blow off the right side of Kennedy's brain when the
- bullet actually entered in, and it would have been virtually
- impossible..." another person asked.
-
- Mr. Cooper seized the gist of his question and injected, "For those of
- you who have been listening to all these talk show hosts, whose job it
- is to be a talk show host, and who have not done any legitimate research
- into this, if you come to the workshop, I will show you, on the tape,
- how it was done. You will see that Kennedy was, in fact slumped over
- against Jackie, his head was turned [this direction], it was very
- simple, it was easy and you will see it with your own eyes."
-
- Another muffled, off mike question from a member of the audience
- inquiring why no one else had come forward with the information Mr.
- Cooper was disseminating, and why those who knew it had kept it secret
- for so long was quickly answered, "It hasn't been, I'm talkin' about it
- now. Bill English was talkin' about it 8 years ago but everybody laughed
- at Bill English. John Lear's been talkin' about it for 3 years and
- everybody laughed at him. Now there's so many people have been talkin'
- about it, people are startin' to listen and it's about time. Because
- it's about time we that we quit being fools, and that's exactly what
- they think we are and we prove it to them every day."
-
- Almost all of the questions from the audience were to faint to hear.
- The next one dealt with the alien technology and asked in essence,
- "Hasn't any one else [other than the government] come up with the energy
- technology that the aliens have?" to which Mr. Cooper answered, "There's
- been quite a few people who've come up with it and they've ALL been
- stopped, and they'll all continue to be stopped. Because once you have
- it you have FREE ENERGY. Once you have free energy they no longer have
- power over you. You understand? That's why they stop it."
-
- Another question asking, "In the film of the assassination which was
- examined greatly by experts, why didn't THEY conclude that Kennedy's
- driver shot him?", to which Cooper asked, "Examined by WHO greatly?",
- and continued, "Most of the film that you can purchase has that segment
- cut out, and you can always tell it by the person running in the
- background, they'll run up to here... all of a sudden they'll be down
- here... running. You will see in most of the clips that you've ever seen
- on television, or in the movies, or that you're able to get your hands
- on, you'll see William Greer start to turn like this...", then a muffled
- comment from the audience, then Cooper answered, "That's because they
- clipped it out! And on a lot of them, I'll bet you most of you, every
- time you've seen the clip on television, never looked at the driver
- anyway. If you're really honest with yourself, and with me, you know
- your eyes were right on Kennedy."
-
-
- A woman asked if any of the alien technology was being used in present
- day military equipment and was answered, "Yes, there's a lot of alien
- technology contained in the Stealth bomber, that's right. The Stealth
- fighter was flying for 10 years before you even knew it existed."
-
- As the hour drew late another question, more clearly stated, was asked
- of Mr. Cooper by a woman closer to my ears, "Before you let us all out
- of here, there's a bunch of us here wondering what can we all do to help
- bring this all out?"
-
- A single word, "REVOLT" issued from several listeners simultaneously
- but Cooper responded, "Don't revolt. What you need to do is what you
- should have been doing all along. You need to get involved with your
- government. The first thing you need to do is purchase a copy of the
- Constitution, which I know that most of you don't have anywhere in your
- house, and if I were to go around this room and ask each person what the
- Constitution says, most of you couldn't tell me what the Constitution
- says from your grocery bill. And that's the truth! And that IS your
- country! So if you don't know what your Constitution is you're dead
- already, so the first thing you do is you get a copy of your
- Constitution. The second thing you do is you learn it! The third thing
- you do is you start calling your senators and your representatives, and
- the President of the United States and you start leaning on them, and
- you tell them, 'Unless you straighten up the government, and unless we
- start getting the truth, and I mean the whole truth, and no more of this
- baloney, this's the last job you're ever gonna have, period. And I'll do
- everything in my power to make sure that comes true.' And then write
- them, frequently, saying the same thing. And then when they're in your
- area, in their area offices, take a little delegation and go see them,
- and make them understand that they're gonna be living in poverty because
- they're not gonna have a job anymore come election day. You see, the
- secret government may own the executive branch, but you people, all of
- us, we own the Congress, and the Congress makes the laws, and the
- Congress can impeach the entire executive branch! You also have the
- right to petition the government for a redress of injuries. So you ARE
- powerful, you've just forgotten that you're powerful, you've forgotten
- that that vote that you haven't been doing every time election comes
- around, that vote has abdicated your power. That vote you did not cast
- abdicated your power and gave it to those who are subverting the
- Constitution and are ruining this country."
-
- A gentleman then asked, "What was traded to the aliens for their
- technology?"
-
- "People and animals," replied Cooper succinctly.
-
- Another man asked, "Is the Soviet Union in on any of this?"
-
- "The Soviet Union and the United States of America have been close
- allies since the end of World War II and have been closely participating
- in the secret space program all this time. The Soviets have the same
- thing we have, yes. What you see happening in the Soviet block right now
- is not the result of people standing up and saying, 'We want to be
- free.' It's the result of the international bankers saying, 'You tear
- down these barriers, and you meet the West half way, give your people
- some freedom, the West is gonna take some freedom away from their people
- so that we can put together a one world economic system ...and have all
- the power. That's what's happening! If you don't believe it, stick
- around and watch it!"
-
- A dubious woman then asked, "Why was the shellfish poison necessary? A
- lot of his brain was blown off anyway."
-
- Cooper: "The shellfish poison? If you go to kill someone, one thing
- I've learned, I learned it real good, I learned it especially good when
- I went to Vietnam; just 'cause you shoot someone doesn't mean they're
- gonna die. And if they don't die, they're gonna be MAD. And if they've
- got a gun, you're dead. So you want the first time to be the last time.
- So if you really want to to kill somebody you don't play around. If you
- REALLY want to kill somebody ...you KILL them, you don't play, you make
- sure that when you shoot them, they're dead. That way they can't hurt
- you, can't hurt you at all."
-
- Regrettably, the next question was totally unintelligible, I was
- thankful however that Mr. Cooper had a good public address system to
- amplify his reply, "The first moon landing was May the 22nd, 1962... or
- excuse me, that was the first landing on Mars. I'm sorry, May the 22nd,
- 1962 was the winged probe that used a hydrozine propeller, flew around
- approximately 3 orbits and landed on May the 22nd, 1962, was a joint
- United States / Russian endeavor. The first time that we landed on the
- moon was sometime during the ...probably middle 50's, because at the
- time when President Kennedy stated that he wanted a man to set foot on
- the moon by the end of the decade we already had a base there."
-
- "What about Mars?" came another quick question.
-
- "We have a base on Mars also," Cooper calmly replied.
-
- "When did that happen?"
-
- "I don't know the exact date but I know the project's name, it was
- 'Adam and Eve'."
-
- "How long have you known about this?"
-
- "Well, I revealed it publicly for the first time on July the 2nd,
- 1989, and within 3 weeks of the time I revealed it publicly, the
- government, to get the American people not to listen to me, came out and
- said that they planned to build a base on the moon and a colony on Mars.
- Now, 3 days previous to my speech, representatives from NASA said, 'We
- can never have a colony on Mars, it's impossible that there's a colony
- on Mars because Mars is a dead planet.' And it's NOT a dead planet,
- they've lied to you about Mars."
-
- "My name is Dave [unintelligible], I'm a representative of the Crystic
- Institute, and I'd like to know why it was that when we sent a
- representative down to your home, at your request, you failed to produce
- any documentation to substantiate your allegations."
-
- "In the first place it was NOT at my request, I have never contacted
- the Crystic Institute in my life. I was on the Carol Hemingway Show, she
- contacted the Crystic institute, she told Daniel Shehan [sp] that I had
- just said something about Bush and drugs on her show. HE called ME and
- told me he wanted to send an investigator, in fact he told me to even
- help the investigator because he was new at the job, his name was Wayne
- Nelson, he is a very good gentleman, he stayed at my house for 2 days,
- slept overnight on my couch, I gave him everything I had. I never told
- Daniel Shehan that I had any documents and I never told Wayne Nelson
- that I had any documents. In fact what I told Wayne Nelson, and I quote,
- 'Wayne, if I did have the documents I couldn't admit it and I don't know
- you from Adam, and I don't know Daniel Shehan from Adam and what makes
- you think I would give them to you.' Who am I going to give them to and
- how quick are they going to disappear, that was my thought. Wayne Nelson
- also came to my house with a stack of documents this thick already
- substantiating the presence of aliens and extraterrestrial craft on this
- planet, and they are keeping it a secret, because they're afraid
- somebody'll laugh at them and they'll loose their credibility."
-
- "We need some patriots in this country, not people trying to make a
- name for themselves, trying to expose some drug runners, because those
- are just the bagmen. The real crook is in the White House! And you can
- tell THAT to Daniel Shehan!"
-
- "Why didn't Jackie Kennedy report [the source of the lethal shot]?"
- asked another audience member.
-
- "Who's she gonna tell? The Secret Service just killed her husband and
- they're assigned to protect the President. Also, who had her children?
- The same Secret Service had her children at the time."
-
- "Wasn't the craft at Roswell, New Mexico destroyed and all the aliens
- killed?" another young man asked.
-
- "All the aliens were dead but the craft was not completely destroyed,
- it was severely damaged yes."
-
- On an unrelated note an older gentleman asked, "Does that mean that
- 'Alternative 3' is true?"
-
- "Alternative 3 is absolutely true and so is 'Alternative 2'."
-
- Then a man in his late 20's or early 30's raised his hand, said
- something I couldn't hear, and was apparently recognized by Mr. Cooper
- who asked him to take the podium and address the
- audience.
-
- "What I said was that I thanked him [Cooper] very much for coming
- forward and saying something. A lot of my friends out here know that I
- was involved in the United States Special Forces, UFO Tracking and
- Research from the years 1971 to 1975. My name is Richard Murray, I was
- based out of the 71st Tac Controll Flight, McDill Air Force Base, Tampa,
- Florida. We were 'Mobile Radar Command,' that was combat and war ready.
- We could be loaded on aircraft within an hour and many times were taken
- into areas [to] set up radar. A lot of times we were set up around
- Egland [sp] Air Force Base because that's where they have the 'Altered
- Temperature Weather Control', where they can test various aircraft for
- their shrinkage and their dimension change during altered temperature.
- So, you know, I was told to shut up twice in 1982 and they finally
- threatened my parents life so I stayed quiet, and, that's when Wendel
- Stevens was taken off the streets... Just like that! And I hid for quite
- awhile, and decided to come back out when I heard that you're [Cooper]
- of such high rank as you were, and I felt just in saying that your
- credentials are true, and that what you have to say, everything you've
- said here today, I've heard before behind closed doors. And you've
- really tied the link for me to the Kennedy killing. And there's a few
- more links that have to go on with the Columbia Cartel and the money
- laundering. I think there's more than one cartel involved, and they're
- shutting one of them down so one can maintain a power, it just seems to
- be the way it works."
-
- A muffled question then came from someone in the audience regarding
- the person referred to as "Colonel Stevens."
-
- "Uh, Colonel Stevens is out of jail now," replied Murray who was
- quickly asked another question I couldn't hear to which he answered, "I
- sure hope to hell so, he is a wonderful man and I give him my utmost
- respect and it was one of the saddest days in my life to see what
- happened to him happen to him. But I don't care what they say about
- Wendel Stevens, in my heart you can't discredit that man to me. I don't
- care who the hell you are. I won't listen to it, I don't give a shit if
- he was screwin' babies. You know... that doesn't... he's not at kind of
- a man, I don't care what you say, I know him personally."
-
- The lecture was then essentially over. The "Alternative 2 and 3" that
- were referred to briefly are, to the best of my knowledge, two
- government contingency plans and I don't know which is which, to 1:
- Declare Martial Law and invalidate the Constitution on the premise that
- a terrorist group had entered the country with a Nuclear weapon with
- plans to detonate it in a major city. All dissidents would be rounded up
- and placed in concentration camps and the press and media would be
- nationalized. All this, if the information becomes public before they
- want it to or if the aliens attempt a takeover, and 2: Another
- contingency plan to contain or delay the release of this information,
- the details of which I am probably wrong about anyway.
-
- My own personal reaction to Milton William Cooper; Mr. Cooper is a man
- who appears to be in his late fourties, of medium height and weight, and
- was dressed casually when I saw him. His hairline was receding slightly
- and he carried himself with confidence and purpose. Bill Cooper, as he
- was called by several in attendance, is not a professional speaker. His
- presentation lacked the polish of repeated deliveries which all the
- other lectures I heard during the Expo. had, but what it lacked in fine
- tuning was easily made up for in its content. Weather or not everyone in
- the audience was convinced of his sincerity I do not know, but the
- thunderous peal of applause which exploded as he concluded the session
- spoke for me and the majority of those in attendance. I am convinced
- beyond any reasonable doubt that Bill Cooper believes everything he
- said, and I'm about as skeptical as they come.
-
- Please read the attached file written by Milton William Cooper which
- describes some of the government operations, projects, and code names
- that pertain to the above transcript. Perhaps from the two documents you
- can reach your own conclusions as to what 'Alternative 2 and 3' are.
-
-
- The following is the original file "OPER-MAJ.TXT" which introduced Mr.
- Cooper to me.
-
- OPERATION MAJORITY FINAL RELEASE
- COPYRIGHT BY MILTON WILLIAM COOPER
- ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
-
- YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO QUOTE FROM
- THIS INFORMATION IN PRESS RELEASES,
- PERIODICALS, AND SPEECHES. INCLUSION
- IN ANY OTHER MEDIA REQUIRES MY EXPRESS
- WRITTEN PERMISSION.
-
- This file contains the absolute true information regarding the alien
- presence on earth and the US Government's involvement with the
- aliens.This file contains only the information as I saw it and only my
- information.It does not contain any information from any other source.
-
- It was necessary for me to issue the information previous to this
- release in a manner which would deceive the Government until someone was
- able to independently confirm my identity, my employment, my service
- record, my intelligence background, the identity of the person to which
- I gave the information in 1972, his acknowledgment of the information
- and when it was given to him, that the information is correct, that I
- have not seen him since 1974, and that I have not communicated with him
- in any form since 1976.This was necessary because this file is my death
- warrant if MJ-12 continues to operate in a manner consistent with its
- history.
-
- All in the last paragraph has been independently verified by 2 different
- people who have no connection with each other. I will only list one for
- obvious reasons.
-
- Tony Pelham, Journalist
- Las Vegas Bullet, (Newspaper)
- 300 West Boston
- Las Vegas, Nevada89102
-
- The original information that I first released was not much MAJI that I
- was not a threat long enough to have independent verification of the
- facts before I risked death. [TRANSMISSION GARBLED] I wish to make it
- absolutely clear that I do not consider myself a hero.I believe that
- most of you would do the same thing if you knew the truth.I gave an oath
- that I would uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States of
- America and I take that oath very seriously.I am doing no more now than
- I did when I fought in Vietnam.I am doing my duty.
-
- Please make copies of this file and send it to your Congressman, your
- Senator, the Attorney General of the United States, and to the Supreme
- Court.Send it also to everyone you know.Attach copies of the Bill
- English file and John Lears file.Send anything else you may have which
- tends to support the information.
-
- I, Milton William Cooper, 1311 S. Highland #205, Fullerton, California,
- 92632, (714) 680-9537, do solemnly swear that the information contained
- in this file is true and correct to the best of my knowledge.I swear
- that I saw this information in 1972 in the performance of my duties as a
- member of the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander In Chief of
- the Pacific Fleet as a Petty Officer in the US Navy.I swear that I
- underwent hypnotic regression in order to make the information as
- accurate as possible.I swear that I can and will take a lie detector
- test or any other test of any reputable person's choosing in order to
- confirm this information.I swear that I can and will undergo hypnotic
- regression conducted by any reputable and qualified Doctor of any
- reputable person's choosing in order to confirm this information.I will
- not, however submit to any test or hypnosis by anyone who is now or has
- ever been connected with the Government in any capacity for obvious
- reasons.
-
- The following is brief listing of everything that I personally saw and
- know from 1972 and does not contain any input from any other source
- whatsoever.
-
- MAJESTY was listed as the code word for the President of the United
- States for communications concerning this information.
-
- OPERATION MAJORITY is the name of the operation responsible for every
- aspect, project, and consequence of alien presence on earth.
-
- GRUDGE Contains 16 volumes of documented information collected from the
- beginning of the United States investigation of Unidentified Flying
- Objects (UFO's) and Identified Alien Crafts (IAC). The project was
- funded by CIA confidential funds (non-appropriated) and money from the
- illicit drug trade. Participation in the illegal drug trade was
- justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of
- our society. The purpose of project GRUDGE was to collect all
- scientific, technological, medical and intelligence information from
- UFO/IAC sightings and contacts with alien life forms.This orderly file
- of collected information has been used to advance the United States
- Space Program.
-
- MJ-12 is the name of the secret control group. President Eisenhower
- commissioned a secret society known as THE JASON SOCIETY (JASON
- SCHOLARS) to sift through all the facts, evidence, technology, lies and
- deception and find the truth of the alien question. The society was made
- up of 32 of the most prominent men in the country in 1972 and the top 12
- members were designated MJ-12. MJ-12 has total control over everything.
- They are designated by the codes J-1, J-2, etc all the way through the
- members of the Jason Society.
-
- The director of the CIA was appointed J-1 and is the Director of MJ-12.
- MJ-12 is responsible only to the President. MJ-12 runs most of the
- world's illegal drug trade.This was done to hide funding and thus keep
- the secret from the Congress and the people of the United States.It was
- justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of
- our society.The cost of funding the alien connected projects is higher
- than anything you can imagine. MJ-12 assassinated President Kennedy
- when he informed them that he was going to tell the public all the facts
- of the alien presence.He was killed by the Secret Service agent driving
- his car and it is plainly visible in the film held from public view. A
- secret meeting place was constructed for MJ-12 in MARYLAND and it was
- described as only accessible by air.It contains full living,
- recreational, and other facilities for MJ-12 and the JASON SOCIETY.It is
- code named "THE COUNTRY CLUB". Only those with TOP SECRET/MAJIC
- clearance are allowed to go there.
-
- MAJI is the MAJORITY AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE. All information,
- disinformation, and intelligence is gathered and evaluated by this
- agency.This agency is responsible for all disinformation and operates in
- conjunction with the CIA, NSA, and the Defense Intelligence Agency.This
- is a very powerful organization and all alien projects are under its
- control.MAJI is responsible only to MJ-12. SIGMA is the project which
- first established communications with the aliens and is still
- responsible for communications.
-
- PLATO is the project responsible for Diplomatic relations with the
- aliens.This project secured a formal treaty (illegal under the
- Constitution) with the aliens.The terms were that the aliens would give
- us technology.In return we agreed to keep their presence on earth a
- secret, not to interfere in any way with their actions, and to allow
- them to abduct humans and animals.The aliens agreed to furnish MJ-12
- with a list of abductees on a periodic basis.
-
- MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all alien
- connected material, projects, and information.MAJIC means MAJI
- Controlled.
-
- AQUARIUS is a project which compiled the history of alien presence and
- their interaction with Homo Sapiens upon this planet for the last 25,000
- years and culminating with the Basque people who live in the mountainous
- country on the border of France and Spain and the Syrians.
-
- GARNET is the project responsible for control of all information and
- documents regarding this subject and accountability of the information
- and documents.
-
- PLUTO is a project to evaluate all UFO/ IAC information pertaining to
- space ....... [TRANSMISSION GARBLED]
-
- POUNCE is the project formed to recover all downed/ crashed craft and
- aliens.
-
- REDLIGHT is the project to test fly recovered alien craft.It is
- conducted at AREA 51 (DREAMLAND) in Nevada.It was aided when the aliens
- gave us craft and helped us fly them.The initial project was somewhat
- successful in that we flew a recovered craft but it blew up in the air
- and the pilots were killed.The project was suspended at that time until
- the aliens agreed to help us.
-
- SNOWBIRD was established as a cover for project REDLIGHT. Several flying
- saucer type craft were built using conventional technology.They were
- unveiled to the press and flown in front of the press.The purpose was to
- explain accidental sightings or disclosure of REDLIGHT as having been
- the SNOWBIRD craft.
-
- LUNA is the alien base on the far side of the Moon.It was seen and
- filmed by the Apollo Astronauts.A base, a mining operation using very
- large machines, and the very large alien craft described in sighting
- reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there.
-
- NRO is the National Recon Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado.It
- is responsible for security for all alien or alien craft connected
- projects.
-
- DELTA is the designation for the specific arm of the NRO which is
- especially trained and tasked with security of these projects.
-
- JOSHUA is a project to develop a low frequency pulsed sound generating
- weapon.It was said that this weapon would be effective against the alien
- craft and beam weapons.
-
- EXCALIBUR is a weapon to destroy the alien underground bases. It is to
- be a missile capable of penetrating 1000 meters of Tuff/hard packed soil
- such as that found in New Mexico with no operational damage.Missile
- apogee not to exceed 30,000 feet AGL and impact must not deviate in
- excess of 50 meters from designated target.The device will carry a 1
- megaton nuclear warhead.
-
- ALIENS, there were 4 types of aliens mentioned in the papers.
-
-
- A LARGE NOSED GREY with whom we have the treaty, the GREY reported in
- abductee cases that works for the LARGE NOSED GREY, a blond human like
- type described as the NORDIC, a red haired human like type called the
- ORANGE. The home of the aliens were described as being a star in the
- Constellation of Orion, Barnards star, and Zeta Riticuli 1 and 2. I
- cannot remember even under hypnosis which alien belongs to which star.
-
- EBE is the name or designation given to the live alien captured at the
- 1949 Roswell crash. He died in captivity.
-
- KRLL OR KRLLL OR CRLL OR CRLLL pronounced Crill or Krill was the hostage
- left with us at the first Holloman landing as a pledge that the aliens
- would carry out their part of the basic agreement reached during that
- meeting. KRLL gave us the foundation of the yellow book which was
- completed by the guests at a later date. KRLL became sick and was
- nursed by Dr. G. Mendoza who became the expert on alien biology and
- medicine. KRLL later died. His information was disseminated under the
- pseudonym O.H. Cril or Crill.
-
- GUESTS were aliens exchanged for humans who gave us the balance of the
- yellow book. At the time I saw the information there were only 3 left
- alive. They were called (P's) Alien Life Forms ....... [TRANSMISSION
- GARBLED]
-
- RELIGION The aliens claim to have created Homo Sapiens through
- hybridization. The papers said that RH-blood was proof of this. They
- further claimed to have created all four major religions. They showed a
- hologram of the crucifixion of Christ which the Government filmed. They
- claim that Jesus was created by them.
-
- ALIEN BASES exist in the four corners area of Utah, Colorado, New
- Mexico, and Nevada. Six bases were described in the 1972 papers, all on
- indian reservations and all in the four corners area. The base near
- Dulce was one of them.
-
- MURDER The documents stated that many military and government personnel
- had been terminated (murdered without due process of law) when they had
- attempted to reveal the secret.
-
-
- CRAFT RECOVERIES The documents stated that many craft had been
- recovered. The early ones from Roswell, Aztec, Roswell again, Texas,
- Mexico, and other places.
-
- GENERAL DOOLITTLE made a prediction that one day we would have to reckon
- with the aliens and the document stated that it appeared that General
- Doolittle was correct.
-
- ABDUCTIONS were occurring long before 1972. The document stated that
- humans and animals were being abducted and or mutilated. Many vanished
- without a trace. They were taking sperm and ova samples, tissue,
- performed surgical operations, implanted a spherical device 40 to 80
- microns in size near the optic nerve in the brain and all attempts to
- remove it resulted in the death of the patient. The document estimated
- that 1 in every 40 people had been implanted. This implant was said to
- give the aliens total control of that human.
-
- CONTINGENCY PLAN SHOULD THE INFORMATION BECOME PUBLIC OR SHOULD THE
- ALIENS ATTEMPT A TAKEOVER.
-
- This plan called for a public announcement that a terrorist group had
- entered the United States with an Atomic weapon. It would be announced
- that the terrorists planned to detonate the weapon in a major city.
- Martial Law would be declared and all persons with implants would be
- rounded up along with all dissidents and would be placed into
- concentration camps. The press, radio, and TV would be nationalized and
- controlled. Anyone attempting to resist would be arrested or killed.
-
- CONTINGENCY PLAN TO CONTAIN OR DELAY RELEASE OF INFORMATION
-
- This plan called for the use of MAJESTIC TWELVE as a disinformation ploy
- to delay and confuse the release of information should anyone get close
- to the truth. It was selected because of the similarity of spelling and
- the similarity to MJ-12. It was designed to confuse memory and to
- result in a fruitless search for material which did not exist.
-
- SOURCE OF MATERIAL CONTAINED IN THE DOCUMENTS WHICH I SAW
-
- The source of the material was an ONI counter-intelligence operation
- against MJ-12 in order for the Navy to find out the truth of what was
- really going on.The Navy (at that time or at least the Navy that I
- worked for) were not participants in any of this.The different services
- and the government conduct this type of operation against each other all
- the time. The result of this operation was that the Navy cut themselves
- in for a piece of the action (technology) and control of some projects.
-
- As you can see this file is only a little different from my previous
- file. Only some names were scrambled previously to confuse the
- government long enough for someone to verify that what I have said is
- the truth.I have added information in this file that puts me in absolute
- danger. I have sent a copy of this file to people all over the country
- and will continue to do so. Please get this file into as many hands as
- you can and maybe that will protect me but I doubt it.
-
- HISTORY WILL BE THE JUDGE OF ME AND THIS INFORMATION AND I HAVE NO FEAR
- OF THAT JUDGEMENT. I SWEAR THAT THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO
- THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
-
- I wish to thank all those people who have aided me in reaching this
- point and for their patience and understanding. I owe you all more than
- I can ever repay.
-
- Finally, it does not matter who is right and who is wrong or if a
- project name is in the wrong place. It does not matter who is working
- for who or what is really what. It should be obvious by now that
- something sinister and terribly wrong is going on involving the
- government and the UFO phenomenon. We must all band together and expose
- it now. I have done my part in the best manner that I could. I can add
- nothing else except my testimony in Congress or a court of law that what
- I saw and have written in this file is true and that I saw it.
-
- Everything in my previous file that does not conflict with this file is
- true and correct to the best of my knowledge and some of it is from
- sources and research. You may combine the files to get the entire
- picture. Throw out only that information which conflicts with that
- contained in this file.
-
- There will be no further additions or corrections to this information
- either now or in the future. My file is complete and stands to be
- judged by history. Sometime in the future the exact papers that I saw
- will surface and you will all see this exact information contained
- within them.
-
-